I think most people could pick a Computer maker they have had and list lots of things they think are bad or wrong with them DFStormbringer.
But truth be told they are excellent starter systems (they being any brand you choose). There cheap for just starting out and you learn alot about your needs and wants in/ out of a computer. Some people never move from the factory systems and some move on to build there own system.

Not to hijack Tazz's posting here I'll some up my thoughts, If a system gets you or someone else into computers to learn from can it be that bad?

Nice work so far Tazz, Your skills should make Defyant happy.